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RE: nanogui widget set
From: Greg Haerr ####@####.#### Date: 16 Jun 1999 18:10:52 -0000 Message-Id: <01BEB7EF.C8DC4C60.greg@censoft.com> On Wednesday, June 16, 1999 11:59 AM, Alex Holden ####@####.#### wrote: : On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Greg Haerr wrote: : > What are the linux console fonts? Aren't they rom fonts? : : No, take a look in /usr/lib/kbd/consolefonts and you should find about 118 : font files, some with multiple fonts in them, which the Linux kernel can : load at runtime with some-utility-I-forget-the-name-of (I thought it was : loadfonts, but this machine doesn't have anything called that on it). : rpm -qf tells me the fonts came from the console-tools RPM. : I think the console fonts will be too large, as nano needs some single-line fonts for dialog use. Do you want support for these font files as well? Greg | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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RE: nanogui widget set
From: Greg Haerr ####@####.#### Date: 16 Jun 1999 18:15:37 -0000 Message-Id: <01BEB7F0.6E666170.greg@censoft.com> On Wednesday, June 16, 1999 5:37 AM, Darran D. Rimron ####@####.#### wrote: : : [where do we get nano-gui/nano-windows fonts from] : : It's been a long time since I played with it, but, WINE? That's GPL'ed : isn't it, and they seem to run Windose Applications with relative : sucsess. Wine's default dialog font looks like hell. You basically need to find a copy of old win 3.x and use the .fnt files from it. Wine will use .fnt files directly, with no conversion. Wine also requires some .dlls from the win 3.x distribution to gain maximum compatibility. Failing that can't we "look close" at the MS font and design : one based upon it with a just a minor difference, I've done a little : font design before, it's not that hard :) If push comes to shove, I'll : make a GPL'ed look-a-like font based on MS-System but not using a single : byte of MS code in the process. A single pixel here and there /in : theory/ should be enough, yesno? You're welcome to start. I'd love a freeware MSSansSerif 11x13 font. Greg | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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RE: nanogui widget set
From: Alex Holden ####@####.#### Date: 16 Jun 1999 18:16:49 -0000 Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9906161911500.9817-100000@www.linuxhacker.org> On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Greg Haerr wrote: > I think the console fonts will be too large, as nano needs some > single-line fonts for dialog use. Too large in the sense of screen space or memory used? I can't see any reason they would be either. The only problem is that none of them are proportional. I remembered the program which loads the fonts is called "setfont", BTW, though it appears that that is not a seperate program any more but a wrapper to "consolechars". > Do you want support for these font files as well? It was just a suggestion as to where you could find a lot of non proprietory license encumbered fonts, plus you may even be able to adapt whatever code it is in the kernel which parses the files to use in your own code. --------------- Linux- the choice of a GNU generation. -------------- : Alex Holden (M1CJD)- Caver, Programmer, Land Rover nut, Radio Ham : -------------------- http://www.linuxhacker.org/ -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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RE: nanogui widget set
From: Greg Haerr ####@####.#### Date: 16 Jun 1999 18:17:13 -0000 Message-Id: <01BEB7F0.A28594D0.greg@censoft.com> On Wednesday, June 16, 1999 6:51 AM, Alan Cox ####@####.#### wrote: : : If you want it to look like Windows, which for a PDA is questionable in : some ways. Scaling a free TTF font to the same size and digitizing it isnt : too hard. : If you load the free TTF font under windows, my font grabber will digitize it in approximately 300 milliseconds. Do you know where many free TTF fonts are? Greg | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Subject:
RE: nanogui widget set
From: Greg Haerr ####@####.#### Date: 16 Jun 1999 18:17:43 -0000 Message-Id: <01BEB7F0.B7B7C260.greg@censoft.com> : For some apps, the size of the font is *VERY* important, to the extent : that a pixel off in either height or width can screw the dialog boxes : quite heavily.... *shrug* it may be worth finding that free "almost : identical" font and using that as default. The closer to the "look and : feel" of /real/ windows, Nano has, the easier it's going to be to drop : it into the community of Microsoft Brainwashed folks. : I agree wholeheartedly, having built too many dialog boxes that won't run with different system fonts. I wrote a font grabber to move development forward, but we will need a sans serif font to get applications to look good. Greg | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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RE: nanogui widget set
From: Alex Holden ####@####.#### Date: 16 Jun 1999 18:22:56 -0000 Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9906161919570.9817-100000@www.linuxhacker.org> On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Greg Haerr wrote: > If you load the free TTF font under windows, my font grabber > will digitize it in approximately 300 milliseconds. It'd be useful to make a freetype version of the grabber so you don't need a windoze machine to digitise fonts... http://www.freetype.org/ > Do you know where many free TTF fonts are? You could try ftp.cdrom.com/pub/win95/font/ --------------- Linux- the choice of a GNU generation. -------------- : Alex Holden (M1CJD)- Caver, Programmer, Land Rover nut, Radio Ham : -------------------- http://www.linuxhacker.org/ -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Subject:
RE: nanogui widget set
From: Greg Haerr ####@####.#### Date: 16 Jun 1999 18:23:27 -0000 Message-Id: <01BEB7F1.8B7B5670.greg@censoft.com> On Wednesday, June 16, 1999 12:17 PM, Alex Holden ####@####.#### wrote: : On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Greg Haerr wrote: : > I think the console fonts will be too large, as nano needs some : > single-line fonts for dialog use. : : Too large in the sense of screen space or memory used? The nano FONT structure is quite small, so that's not the issue. All nano fonts have to be converted to this structure, which is close the to bogl font structure, but uses short rather than long character bitmaps. The bdf fonts originally distributed with are too "thick." We need at least one "thin" font, prefereably san serif, that uses about one pixel per stroke in each character. Try writing some dialog boxes with nano and you'll see what I mean. I can't see any : reason they would be either. The only problem is that none of them are : proportional. Proportional is an absolute must, or our nano applications will look like character-based text apps on a fancy gui. : It was just a suggestion as to where you could find a lot of non : proprietory license encumbered fonts, plus you may even be able to adapt : whatever code it is in the kernel which parses the files to use in your : own code. : I'll take a look at it. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Re: nanogui widget set
From: Ben Pfaff ####@####.#### Date: 16 Jun 1999 18:25:26 -0000 Message-Id: <87u2s8j95u.fsf@pfaffben.user.msu.edu> Greg Haerr ####@####.#### writes: If you load the free TTF font under windows, my font grabber will digitize it in approximately 300 milliseconds. Why bother doing font grabs when ttf2bdf from freetype will do it without needing the screen for a middleman? Works for me. -- "It takes a certain amount of shamelessness to be a monomaniac billionaire dwarf." --Jon Katz <URL:http://slashdot.org/articles/99/03/17/1634238.shtml> | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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RE: nanogui widget set
From: Alex Holden ####@####.#### Date: 16 Jun 1999 18:26:43 -0000 Message-Id: <Pine.LNX.4.04.9906161924430.9817-100000@www.linuxhacker.org> On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Greg Haerr wrote: > at least one "thin" font, prefereably san serif, that uses about one pixel > per stroke in each character. Try writing some dialog boxes with nano I see what you mean now. > Proportional is an absolute must, or our nano applications will look > like character-based text apps on a fancy gui. Yup, but at least one non proportional one is needed (don't you hate it when ascii art doesn't work because of the fon't you're using :). --------------- Linux- the choice of a GNU generation. -------------- : Alex Holden (M1CJD)- Caver, Programmer, Land Rover nut, Radio Ham : -------------------- http://www.linuxhacker.org/ -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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RE: nanogui widget set
From: Greg Haerr ####@####.#### Date: 16 Jun 1999 18:27:44 -0000 Message-Id: <01BEB7F2.247E05C0.greg@censoft.com> : It'd be useful to make a freetype version of the grabber so you don't need : a windoze machine to digitise fonts... Yeah, that would be really nice. Unfortunately, I don't have any more time for fonts. I'll check out the freetype stuff and see whether they have an MSSansSerif font. If so, I'll grab it, convert it, and use it in the standard distribution. Greg | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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