nanogui: Thread: Re: [linuxce-devel] Re: Microwindows plans

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From: Alex Holden ####@####.####
To: Thomas Stewart ####@####.####
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Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 8:10 AM
Subject: [linuxce-devel] Re: Microwindows plans


> On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Thomas Stewart wrote:
> > Has the license been sorted yet?
>
> Yes. It's MPL with a convert-to-GPL option (apart from David's original
> code, which is PD).

I was preferring dual MPL/GPL myself.  How is a convertable one better than
a dual one?

Regards,
Brad

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From: Alex Holden ####@####.####
To: Thomas Stewart ####@####.####
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Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 8:10 AM
Subject: [linuxce-devel] Re: Microwindows plans


> On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Thomas Stewart wrote:
> > Has the license been sorted yet?
>
> Yes. It's MPL with a convert-to-GPL option (apart from David's original
> code, which is PD).

Looks like Ben's BOGL code is GPLed.  In order to use that our project will
need a GPL license, so I think that means dual MPL/GPL instead of
convertible.  Comments?

Regards,
Brad

In order to use that our project will
: need a GPL license, so I think that means dual MPL/GPL instead of
: convertible.

What's the difference between dual and convertible?

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Haerr ####@####.####
To: Bradley D. LaRonde ####@####.####
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Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [linuxce-devel] Re: Microwindows plans


> In order to use that our project will
> : need a GPL license, so I think that means dual MPL/GPL instead of
> : convertible.
>
> What's the difference between dual and convertible?

Here's my interpretation: dual means both licenses are simultaneously
availabe, while convertible means that you have to give up MPL to get GPL,
and then can't go back.

I think if we freely want to mix with GPL code, our stuff has to have a
persistent GPL license along side of the MPL license.

That way, we can mix in GPL-only code freely, and others can use our dual
code (but not the mixin GPL-only parts) in other MPL or even proprietary
projects.

Regards,
Brad

: Here's my interpretation: dual means both licenses are simultaneously
: availabe, while convertible means that you have to give up MPL to get GPL,
: and then can't go back.
: 
: I think if we freely want to mix with GPL code, our stuff has to have a
: persistent GPL license along side of the MPL license.
: 
: That way, we can mix in GPL-only code freely, and others can use our dual
: code (but not the mixin GPL-only parts) in other MPL or even proprietary
: projects.

This means that we have to be careful about allowing GPL only code in the
project, doesn't it?  As then a portion of the project becomes GPL only.
I appears that we can only allow code in the project that will be dual MPL/GPL.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Haerr ####@####.####
To: Bradley D. LaRonde ####@####.####
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Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [linuxce-devel] Re: Microwindows plans


> : Here's my interpretation: dual means both licenses are simultaneously
> : availabe, while convertible means that you have to give up MPL to get
GPL,
> : and then can't go back.
> :
> : I think if we freely want to mix with GPL code, our stuff has to have a
> : persistent GPL license along side of the MPL license.
> :
> : That way, we can mix in GPL-only code freely, and others can use our
dual
> : code (but not the mixin GPL-only parts) in other MPL or even proprietary
> : projects.
>
> This means that we have to be careful about allowing GPL only code in the
> project, doesn't it?  As then a portion of the project becomes GPL only.
> I appears that we can only allow code in the project that will be dual
MPL/GPL.

I don't mind allowing GPL-only code into the project, but yes, the parts
that are GPL-only can't be used in other proprietary projects.

Regards,
Brad

: I don't mind allowing GPL-only code into the project, but yes, the parts
: that are GPL-only can't be used in other proprietary projects.

Well, I think we should allow that only for device drivers, so that we can
still have the project used where MPL is required.  Otherwise, what's the point
of having a dual license?  We don't want to endanger the status of the project
as a whole, or make it hard to know what can/can't be used.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Haerr ####@####.####
To: Bradley D. LaRonde ####@####.####
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Sent: Monday, October 11, 1999 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [linuxce-devel] Re: Microwindows plans


> : I don't mind allowing GPL-only code into the project, but yes, the parts
> : that are GPL-only can't be used in other proprietary projects.
>
> Well, I think we should allow that only for device drivers, so that we can
> still have the project used where MPL is required.  Otherwise, what's the
point
> of having a dual license?  We don't want to endanger the status of the
project
> as a whole, or make it hard to know what can/can't be used.

Seems to make sense.

Regards,
Brad

"Bradley D. LaRonde" ####@####.#### writes:

> > Yes. It's MPL with a convert-to-GPL option (apart from David's original
> > code, which is PD).
> 
> Looks like Ben's BOGL code is GPLed.  In order to use that our project will
> need a GPL license, so I think that means dual MPL/GPL instead of
> convertible.  Comments?

As I stated before, I'm willing to relicense BOGL.  Is MPL with
convert-to-GPL the license that NanoGUI is definitely under now?  If
so, I'll issue a new license.
-- 
"Unix... is not so much a product
 as it is a painstakingly compiled oral history
 of the hacker subculture."
--Neal Stephenson

On 11 Oct 1999, Ben Pfaff wrote:
> As I stated before, I'm willing to relicense BOGL.  Is MPL with
> convert-to-GPL the license that NanoGUI is definitely under now?  If

Yes.

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