primax: Thread: Colorado 9600 USB

On 07-Feb-00 Beldaz Jalfrezi wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 06:33:21PM +0100, Christian Ordig wrote:
>> > What help is Primax giving? I guess they aren't providing the source
>> > code for their drivers - although I don't see why not.
>> Well... we signed an NDA... got some bad docs and some scanners and were
>> left alone from then on again...
> 
> How about this Jochem Vaartjes guy from Primax who posted last month? 
> Is he for real? - in which case could he not just provide the source 
>>from the windows drivers?

Well... as far as I know he didn't answer the "welcome meil" Marco sent to him...
so I am nearly forced to think it was just a joke... 

Hopefully I am wrong and Marco only forgot to forward the answer or something trivial like that...


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On 08-Feb-00 Beldaz Jalfrezi wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 08:29:28AM +0100, Jochem Vaartjes wrote:
> 
>> > How about this Jochem Vaartjes guy from Primax who posted last
>> > month?
>> > Is he for real? - in which case could he not just provide the
>> > source from the windows drivers?
>> I'm for real, that's for sure. I'm trying to get the documents 
>> from primax as we speak.
>> But primax rufuses to give out the source for the windows drivers.
> 
> Why is this? I'm not trying to be obtuse, but I don't get this 
> mentality. If primax are happy to supply scanners and documentation
> to this project, why do they insist on making people like Christian
> jump through hoops by forcing them to do things the hard way?
> In simple economic terms they only help themselves by ensuring
> linux drivers are available for their products as soon as possibel, 
> since they enlarge their own potential market.
> 
> Is there any way to encourage Primax to be a bit more helpful?
> Maybe a post to Slashdot urging everyone with a primax device
> to contact them?

The other thing is: we finally have finished the Primax Colorado Direct D300 stuff (well almost)
but these scanners aren't sold anymore... for the current generation of scanners we
got a quite miserable documentation and are still forced to reverse engenner the Win-driver...
When we'll finally have finished the driver for the E1/E3 chipset these scanners may already
have vanished from the market too...
I don't believe this can be the goal of Primax...?! Or am I wrong?


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On Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 04:49:37PM +0100, Christian Ordig wrote:
> 
> The other thing is: we finally have finished the Primax Colorado Direct 
> D300 stuff (well almost) but these scanners aren't sold anymore... for 
> the current generation of scanners we got a quite miserable documentation 
> and are still forced to reverse engenner the Win-driver...
> When we'll finally have finished the driver for the E1/E3 chipset these 
> scanners may already have vanished from the market too...
> I don't believe this can be the goal of Primax...?! Or am I wrong?
> 

This is a bad state of affairs to be in. What I suggest is this: I (or
someone else if it's more suitable) can post to Slashdot explaining 
the situation. I could suggest that people with Primax scanners should
contact Primax explaining that they would like linux support
for the devices, and request that the source code be supplied to 
the Primax for Linux group.
There doesn't seem to be anything to lose by this, and if the word
spreads to enough people Primax might actually do something.
What address should people email their complaints to? The technical
support address is useless - a more direct route is needed.

B.

Hi Christian,

Christian Ordig wrote:
> Well... Marco is doing some reverse engeneering on the Win-driver...
> Connecting the Logic analyzer not to the E3, but to the parallel port interface seems
> to be better, I think. Or am I thinking wrong?

I wonder would it help if the protocol's were explained in a clear way
as it is possible that something similiar has been developed by others,
and they may be able to suggest/try various things.

Also on a more general point, do you think that it is time to put the
code
onto a CVS server ( e.g. sourceforge.org ) ?

Also what way do you see the code working when we get to version 1.0 ?
i.e. as a part of SANE, a demon on it's own, or .... ?
I am interested as I am adding a KDE interface.

Is this interesting for anyone ?

All for now,
CP

> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:39:24 +0000
> From: Beldaz Jalfrezi ####@####.####
> To: ####@####.####
> Subject: Re: Colorado 9600 USB
> 
> On Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 04:49:37PM +0100, Christian Ordig wrote:
> > 
> > The other thing is: we finally have finished the Primax
> Colorado
> Direct 
> > D300 stuff (well almost) but these scanners aren't sold
> anymore... for 
> > the current generation of scanners we got a quite miserable
> documentation 
> > and are still forced to reverse engenner the Win-driver...
> > When we'll finally have finished the driver for the E1/E3
> chipset
> these 
> > scanners may already have vanished from the market too...
> > I don't believe this can be the goal of Primax...?! Or am I
> wrong?
> > 
> 
> This is a bad state of affairs to be in. What I suggest is this: I
> (or
> someone else if it's more suitable) can post to Slashdot explaining
> 
> the situation. I could suggest that people with Primax scanners
> should
> contact Primax explaining that they would like linux support
> for the devices, and request that the source code be supplied to 
> the Primax for Linux group.
> There doesn't seem to be anything to lose by this, and if the word
> spreads to enough people Primax might actually do something.
> What address should people email their complaints to? The
> technical
> support address is useless - a more direct route is needed.
> 
> B.
> 

How about the mailadress to the PR people?
Wouldn't that be the best way to go?

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On Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 10:30:43PM +0100, ####@####.#### wrote:
> > What address should people email their complaints to? The
> > technical
> > support address is useless - a more direct route is needed.
> 
> How about the mailadress to the PR people?
> Wouldn't that be the best way to go?

What would this be? I still can't check out the primax site
since the java seems to crash my browser.

Bryn

On 08-Feb-00 Beldaz Jalfrezi wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 08, 2000 at 04:49:37PM +0100, Christian Ordig wrote:
>> 
>> The other thing is: we finally have finished the Primax Colorado Direct 
>> D300 stuff (well almost) but these scanners aren't sold anymore... for 
>> the current generation of scanners we got a quite miserable documentation 
>> and are still forced to reverse engenner the Win-driver...
>> When we'll finally have finished the driver for the E1/E3 chipset these 
>> scanners may already have vanished from the market too...
>> I don't believe this can be the goal of Primax...?! Or am I wrong?
>> 
> 
> This is a bad state of affairs to be in. What I suggest is this: I (or
> someone else if it's more suitable) can post to Slashdot explaining 
> the situation. I could suggest that people with Primax scanners should
> contact Primax explaining that they would like linux support
> for the devices, and request that the source code be supplied to 
> the Primax for Linux group.
> There doesn't seem to be anything to lose by this, and if the word
> spreads to enough people Primax might actually do something.
> What address should people email their complaints to? The technical
> support address is useless - a more direct route is needed.
Well... furthermore our httpd logs are tellung us about 2044 visitors in January 2000...
well, if this is enough... I think this would be peanuts in the eyes of Primax...
But the new supporter at Primax is very willing to support us... (also CVS and so on...)

Let's see... at first we should really finish the D300 stuff...
then we should go the next step towards the newer models (D9600? 1200p?)


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On 08-Feb-00 C Hennessy wrote:
> Also on a more general point, do you think that it is time to put the
> code
> onto a CVS server ( e.g. sourceforge.org ) ?
public CVS isn't available yet... but we're currently setting things up on sourceforge...
 
> Also what way do you see the code working when we get to version 1.0 ?
> i.e. as a part of SANE, a demon on it's own, or .... ?
> I am interested as I am adding a KDE interface.
1.0 will still be a command line tool... then we'll make it a SANE backend... skelleton 
seems to be there...
 
> Is this interesting for anyone ?
well... will become uniteresting when the SANE stuff is finally there... ;-)

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Beldaz Jalfrezi wrote:

...

> Why is this? I'm not trying to be obtuse, but I don't get this
> mentality. If primax are happy to supply scanners and documentation
> to this project, why do they insist on making people like Christian
> jump through hoops by forcing them to do things the hard way?
> In simple economic terms they only help themselves by ensuring
> linux drivers are available for their products as soon as possibel,
> since they enlarge their own potential market.
> 
> Is there any way to encourage Primax to be a bit more helpful?
> Maybe a post to Slashdot urging everyone with a primax device
> to contact them?
> 
> What do you think, Jochem?
> 
> Bryn.

Have you ever heard about microsoft? This could be a reason. ...

Thomas

I posted the partnumbers of my Colorado 9600 USB here a 
year ago, I doubt you have much use for them right now, but 
they might be useful in the future :-)

EICI093900 9836E
WM8143-12C
T2241628-35J

The colorado 9600 and the 19200 are probably more or less 
compatible, there's a small difference in the optical 
resolution (300*300 vs 300*600) but that's probably all.

Greets
Timmy