nanogui: Thread: W Window system?

In search of some more info on Yopy, I came across the W window system @:
http://www.students.tut.fi/~t150315/

Also here is the Yopy developer's page, which has screen shots of the
Gmate ver of W windows:

http://www.gmate.co.kr/expert/index.html

It however looks like if you use the Yopy toolkit (which I believe
includes their version of W windows) you can only target a Yopy or you're
in violation of their agreement. (doesn't that violate the GPLing of the
original W window system?)

Your thoughts?

Thanks,
Vasant.

> It however looks like if you use the Yopy toolkit (which I believe
> includes their version of W windows) you can only target a Yopy or you're
> in violation of their agreement. (doesn't that violate the GPLing of the
> original W window system?)

If the code is GPL and they didnt get other permission from the author then
yes. Ask the original author..

On Thu, May 04, 2000 at 02:36:22AM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > It however looks like if you use the Yopy toolkit (which I believe
> > includes their version of W windows) you can only target a Yopy or you're
> > in violation of their agreement. (doesn't that violate the GPLing of the
> > original W window system?)
> 
> If the code is GPL and they didnt get other permission from the author then
> yes. Ask the original author..

And every person that sent in a patch that was implemented in W that
is in the Yopy version.  It's a mind field and it's amazing how
un-enlightened companies that are building linux embedded devices are.
If they were smart they would make 98% of everything GPL, only non-GPL
stuff that they purchased from other companies.  Linux embedded device
makers are HARDWARE companies..., the more users and developers and
mindshare they have, the more sales they will earn.  If they make the
whole thing standard linux, then they've got millions of developers in
their corner.  Otherwise..., they're just another small potatoes
company that every software package will require actual porting too...
it's really stupid.  (I.e. now you have to compete with Palm for
developer mindshare)

The other end of it is they're probably going to burn a lot of this
stuff into ROM.  You can't take back something you put in ROM like
BeOS's latest GPL violation.  If someone that wrote some code under
GPL was really upset they could put the company in some serious hot
water.  Just wait till some of good old Richard's code gets burned
into rom as part of some proprietary toolkit..., let me say I wouldn't
want to be the guy on the other end the line when Stallman does the
call.

Hey it's just my opinion...  we need open packaging standards for
embedded devices too..., well, I'll stop while I'm behind.

Thanks,
Shane.

On Thu, 4 May 2000 ####@####.#### wrote:

> On Thu, May 04, 2000 at 02:36:22AM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > It however looks like if you use the Yopy toolkit (which I believe
> > > includes their version of W windows) you can only target a Yopy or you're
> > > in violation of their agreement. (doesn't that violate the GPLing of the
> > > original W window system?)
> > 
> > If the code is GPL and they didnt get other permission from the author then
> > yes. Ask the original author..
> 
> And every person that sent in a patch that was implemented in W that
> is in the Yopy version.  It's a mind field and it's amazing how
> un-enlightened companies that are building linux embedded devices are.
> If they were smart they would make 98% of everything GPL, only non-GPL
> stuff that they purchased from other companies.  Linux embedded device

I think I'll e-mail the original author, his website mentions he hasn't
seen any of the Yopy code.

Though I was curious about the GPLing of W windows(and Yopy's possible
infringement), I was also curious what the developers on the this mailing
list think about the technical capabilities of W and it's bearing on
Microwindows / NanoGUI.

The screen shots of the Yopy in action did show a Win9x/NT/CE like
interface (eeww) but it did seem to have nice things like dialog boxes,
buttons, etc.

As I understand it, FLTK and GTK are being ported to MWindows? (These will
support the wonderful widgets we all so desire?). W doesn't seem to have
this "flexibility" to use different widgets? Comments?

I'm not looking to start an embedded GUI war, just looking for some
stimulating conversation (yeah, I already tried a singles bar =).

Thanks,
Vasant.

Hi,

Where does it say that you can only target a Yopy device?

cheers,
	Peter

Vasant Ramasubramanian wrote:
> 
> In search of some more info on Yopy, I came across the W window system @:
> http://www.students.tut.fi/~t150315/
> 
> Also here is the Yopy developer's page, which has screen shots of the
> Gmate ver of W windows:
> 
> http://www.gmate.co.kr/expert/index.html
> 
> It however looks like if you use the Yopy toolkit (which I believe
> includes their version of W windows) you can only target a Yopy or you're
> in violation of their agreement. (doesn't that violate the GPLing of the
> original W window system?)
> 
> Your thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
> Vasant.
> 
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On Thu, 4 May 2000, Peter van Sebille wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Where does it say that you can only target a Yopy device?

Of the download page from the Yopy website:
"(ii) The Software is permitted to be used on any personal computer and/or
any Yopy platform products, provided that the Software is used only in
connection with your
             development of products for use with Yopy platform products. 
"

I take that to mean you can could only use their tools if your end target
is a Yopy.

Thanks,
Vasant.

> 
> cheers,
> 	Peter
> 
> Vasant Ramasubramanian wrote:
> > 
> > In search of some more info on Yopy, I came across the W window system @:
> > http://www.students.tut.fi/~t150315/
> > 
> > Also here is the Yopy developer's page, which has screen shots of the
> > Gmate ver of W windows:
> > 
> > http://www.gmate.co.kr/expert/index.html
> > 
> > It however looks like if you use the Yopy toolkit (which I believe
> > includes their version of W windows) you can only target a Yopy or you're
> > in violation of their agreement. (doesn't that violate the GPLing of the
> > original W window system?)
> > 
> > Your thoughts?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Vasant.
> > 
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> The other end of it is they're probably going to burn a lot of this
> stuff into ROM.  You can't take back something you put in ROM like
> BeOS's latest GPL violation.  If someone that wrote some code under

A cease and desist order is enough to force you to yank every copy from
your channel - it can cost millions. Big vendors are really careful about
these sort of issues, its mostly small crooked ones who dont

Alan

>From: Vasant Ramasubramanian ####@####.####
>To: ####@####.####
>Subject: W Window system?
>Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:25:41 -0500 (CDT)
>
>In search of some more info on Yopy, I came across the W window system @:
>http://www.students.tut.fi/~t150315/
>
>Also here is the Yopy developer's page, which has screen shots of the
>Gmate ver of W windows:
>

Has anybody looked at the HTML widget of W windows ?

There is a tiny web-browser called Wetscape in there (
HTML 1.0 compatible ). It uses the libjpeg library that has
been already ported to MicroWindows.

I do not know how this toolkit compares with FLTK, but it looks
like a good peace of software.

Regards, Rosimildo.









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On Sun, 7 May 2000, Rosimildo daSilva wrote:

> 
> There is a tiny web-browser called Wetscape in there (
> HTML 1.0 compatible ). It uses the libjpeg library that has
> been already ported to MicroWindows.

I think it would be worthwhile to look at the Yopy web-browser -- it seems
more advanced than Wetscape. I haven't had the chance to actually use the
Yopy development tools, anyone else?

Thanks,
Vasant.

> I think it would be worthwhile to look at the Yopy web-browser -- it seems
> more advanced than Wetscape. I haven't had the chance to actually use the
> Yopy development tools, anyone else?

	Which browser does Yopy use?

Murphy